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Title: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 13, 2018, 03:37:07 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/qKAWDcX.jpg?1) (https://i.imgur.com/PYUSIRI.jpg?1)

A new season starts !  8)

It seems this is a very good generation.
But I'm not 100% sure about this because it is difficult to estimate this with the youngest cyclists, the competition could be even better.
A good race schedule/calendar for TT toptalent David Edgar, because besides the normal TT race there is also a prologue.
But too bad there is just one mountain race this season, Australia u21 has some very good climbers.

Tomorrow morning the selection and preview of race 1, a climb-sprint race in Italy.

42 cyclists
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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 14, 2018, 04:54:42 pm
STAGE 1 : MOUNTAIN-SPRINT
(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/firenze.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/xNEk5rq.jpg?1)
1ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/viento3.jpg)(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/nieve.jpg)

Florence, Italy,
Today the first race of the season, and it will be cold and very windy, so difficult circumstances.
I don't know what to expect, it seems to me Australia u21 is not good in this race, hopefully I'm wrong.

Team captain Odom is not a specialist in this race, and I selected a mix of flat climbers and flat sprinters to support him.
Perhaps Friess and B.Judd can become future specialists in such a race, but for now their GV is not so good yet.
They will get a free role in case my estimated percentages are completely wrong. Maybe one or two sprinters will get a free role also.

No real xp cyclists are selected, but it could be that the whole selection is riding just for experience in this race.  :))
And there is a little mistake in the lists : the number 3 on sprint, Vince Judd, is 19yo instead of 20yo.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Oliver Odom (20) UniversidadSalamanca   1
Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   5   8)
Bob Judd (20) marijntjesteam   2
Jake Friess (20) Sacido   5   8)
Kenneth Hunter (20) WinterIsComing   5   8)
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing   4
Vince Judd (19) TurronesIsBack   0
Abraham Coburn (20) Sacido   4
Richard King (20) Sacido   3
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 14, 2018, 08:50:35 pm
Clearly this was not a race for sprinters. But no problem , they could use the xp.
Happy with the results  :) , despite the fact that the tactics could have been better, but that was to expect in this very windy race :
Team captain Odom finished as 10th.
And free role rider B.Judd should have been the team captain, because he surprised me with his very low flat and finished as 8th.
Only Hungary and Denmark scored more points in this race ; so it is an unexpected good start of Australia u21 this season.  8)

Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 20, 2018, 08:22:45 am
45 cyclists
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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 20, 2018, 10:49:57 am
STAGE 2 : LUXEMBOURG
(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/differ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ba6JbMk.jpg?1)
23ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg)(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/solnubes.jpg)

Schifflange, Luxembourg,
This hills race was once a stage of the Tour de Luxembourg.
In 2017 VanAvermaet won that tour, including the final stage (see picture).

Australia u21 does not have a young VanAvermaet ; in fact there are no young hills-flat-specialists in Australia.
For that matter it is (also) a bad racing schedule this season, because we have good hills-specialists but they don't have flat.
They are selected anyway, but the team captain will be a hills sprinter for lack of better.
And that is Mikkelson, hopefully he can score some points despite he is not really suited for this race. And he likes the little bit of wind.

Edit ; The selection is complete. The final 2 cyclists, Ford and Davidson, are selected and will be extra helpers.
Just one real xp cyclist is selected.

Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   6
Keith Owens (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Bruce Woods (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Henry Battle (19) FinOCyclinGTeaM   0
Christian Madsen (20) BetisCFF   8
Markus Warrenburg (20) BetisCFF   5
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing  6
Leroy Davidson (20) EskorbutoTeam  8
David Edgar (19) Drollevangers   12   8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: WinterIsComing on January 20, 2018, 11:39:59 am
Perhaps Gerard Ford could be of any help in the first sections.  :)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 20, 2018, 11:54:10 am
Perhaps Gerard Ford could be of any help in the first sections.  :)
Yes, he was already my first choice, but I did not study the race yet in order to see who can be the best (extra) helper(s). Tactics are not made yet, and I do not want to select someone I was not 100% sure about. And I have some time left before the race starts^^
And of course  thanks for the advice, for sure that is appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 21, 2018, 08:20:19 pm
I had to try very risky tactics with all cyclists in order to get some points, and that did not work out for the team captain.
Doubtfull if he would score points with better tactics, in hinsight.
And the 4 best hills specialist rode in a free role, and one of them could score points, he finished as 16th. (his flat skill was 2^^)

Down to place 8 in the ranking by countries.
But next week a better suited race for Australia u21 ; a climbing race to and on the notorious Alto de El Angliru.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Franky on January 24, 2018, 08:42:16 am
Hi guys, I've promoted my first 19yo of the season... LOL

Isaac Carey   Age : 19   Wage : 845
Stamina : 55   Sprint : 24   Climbing : 68
Flat : 52
   Cobblestone : 20   Technique : 5
Downhill : 49   Hills : 30   Aggressiveness : 69
Time Trial : 67   Teamwork : 1   Experience : 0

I think that could be usable but I can't train him... anyone interested? PM please, I don't enter often to the forum
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 27, 2018, 08:11:51 am
45 cyclists ; including 11x 19yo's, on Friday (after the draft) I will make the u20 lists.

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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 28, 2018, 05:16:35 am
STAGE 3 : KING OF THE MOUNTAINS
(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/angliru.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/7zWKuVl.jpg)
27ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/solnubes.jpg)

Northern Spain,
Today the extreme difficult mountain climb towards and on the notorious Alto de l'Angliru.
This mountain is very well-known in cycling.
For example it was stage 20 in the Vuelta of 2017 that Contador won, just before he ended his career.

Australia u21 has some good climbers and Richard King will be the team captain.
The very good 19yo climbhills talent Nick Owens will make his debute and he is the 4th cyclist of Sacido in this selection.
Now he can ride with his less experienced (!) older brother Nate Owens who rides in another youth climbers team, FlandriaFussion.

Australia u21 selection (in blue the xp) :

Richard King (20) Sacido   4
Henry Aldrin (20) FlandriaFussion   2
Abraham Coburn (20) Sacido   5
Sam Sand (20) RickyCoach   0  ( inactive team )
Nate Owens (20) FlandriaFussion   0   
Elgin Paxton (20) Sacido   4
Nick Owens (19) Sacido   1
Bob Judd (20) marijntjesteam   3
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   13  8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Thorin on January 28, 2018, 09:32:08 am
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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Telamon on January 28, 2018, 08:21:06 pm
2nd! Nice result Vos! 👍
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on January 28, 2018, 08:38:18 pm
Thanks Telamon   :)

Tactics were good, but in S4 King and his helper Coburn were far behind despite they used a lot of energy, 33 seconds, a big gap to my surprise. Probably caused because the competition was way better than I thought.
But the last climb on the Alto de l'Angliru was desicive in this race and a very good result of King ; 2nd !  8)
Aldrin in a free role scored also a few points and finished as 17th.

Australia u21 scored a good amount of points, only Germany and the USA scored better.
In the ranking by countries up 5 places and now on the 3rd place.  :)
At the moment 150 points behind the number 1, France. But a lot of countries are very close in points.
For example Russia, the number 10, has just 165 points less than Australia.
So very exciting this season and next week a sprint race in Madrid.
Then we are going to hunt for some points^^ ( train your sprinters well this week, WiC  ;) )
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 02, 2018, 08:23:08 am
After this draft it is a good time to post the u20 lists ( 23x 19yo's )
The u21 lists will be posted on Saturday, as usual.

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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 03, 2018, 09:10:10 am
(https://i.imgur.com/qKAWDcX.jpg?1) "I want on the new page also"  :-*  :))

63 cyclists
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Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 03, 2018, 09:22:00 am
u20 lists are made yesterday ; see previous page.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 04, 2018, 10:12:23 am
STAGE 4 : SPRINT IN MADRID

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/madrid.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TP0OwwB.jpg?1)
31ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg)(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)

Madrid, Spain,
The final stage of the Vuelta 2017 was also a sprint in the streets of Madrid.
Trentin won (see picture) and that was his 4th stage victory in the Vuelta 2017.

It will be very hot in Madrid, and I m not so sure if that is good because Australia has sprinters of WinterIsComing.  :)
Hunter will be the team captain.
The helpers will be his two 20yo WiC team mates and the 19yo top sprint talent Judd who made a good transfer this week.

Difficult to prodict what Hunter can do in Madrid. I know there are better sprinters. And the sprint races are always tricky regarding tactics ; especially in this situation. Risky tactics can go horribly wrong but could be an option to compensate the better skills of the competition. Less risky tactics are more sure to win some points, but could be a waste of gaining more points. Always a gamble to me those sprint races and there is also little bit of hot wind to make it even more "easy", let's hope the tactics will turn out good.

Semi xp cyclists are three other 19yo sprinters who all make their debut for Australia.
Real xp cyclists are the most experienced 20yo and the most experienced 19yo. Their managers let them ride a lot in their team, so let s reward that. Next week in the time trial both will be selected too because they are the best 2 TT specialists of Australia u21.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Kenneth Hunter (20) WinterIsComing   6
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing   7
Vince Judd (19) escartines_neverdie   0
Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   7
Ollie Thomas (19) Darr   0
Isaac Byers (19) REALBETISBalompie   0
Donovan Ryan (19) Aurora_Australis   0
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   14   8)
Sean Wind (19) teamsophia   3
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 04, 2018, 08:29:33 pm
hmmm, anticipated on a attack in S4 with team captain and one helper, that was good.
But the tactical plan was not perfect because main helper Ford had to take some risk in S4 in order to launch his team captain with full energie, not guts no glory^^ Too bad, Ford could not follow the high pace in S4.
Anyway, despite this a very good result of Hunter, he finished as 3rd.   :)

Congratz to WinterIsComing, the whole podium are his cyclists and 8 cyclists of the top 10 are of his team.
Very good team of young talents, WiC !  8)

Down 1 place in the ranking by countries and now 4th (Australia was also 4th in todays race), but it is all very close together and next week Australia u21 probably has the top favorite in the u21 NT time trial. But no other cyclists who can score points.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: WinterIsComing on February 04, 2018, 09:31:40 pm
I think a 3rd place for Hunter is pretty solid.  Good job, Vos.  :)

And thanks, good race for my youngster team indeed.  8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 05, 2018, 08:10:59 am
Thanks WiC  :)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 10, 2018, 08:17:30 am
63 cyclists ( including 28x 19yo's )

(https://i.imgur.com/E8Kygef.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Telamon on February 10, 2018, 10:50:31 am
maak die oranje lijntjes nu eens rood. Ik krijg er autistische trekjes van  ;D
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 10, 2018, 02:38:26 pm
maak die oranje lijntjes nu eens rood. Ik krijg er autistische trekjes van  ;D
I LOVE ORANGE  :))  :-*  8) --> (https://i.imgur.com/kclgX3M.jpg)

( I shall see if I can fix those orange lines next time, Australia-blue looks better )
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 11, 2018, 11:43:37 am
STAGE 5 : DAVID EDGAR

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/zaragoza.jpg) 37ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/SAwZ2du.jpg)

Cariñena, Spain,
Let's see what David Edgar can do, according to me he is the top favorite.
No other Australian TT specialists can score points here, because the 19yo Sean Wind is the second best of the u21.
Also the 19yo Henry Battle is selected, he is not a good flat time trialist but he can become a good hills TT specialist and besides that, his manager let him ride a lot so this selection is a reward for that.

Further more all others are xp cyclists. This time they are all 20yo. The promising 19yo talents will get xp spots again in other races.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   16   8)
- - - - - - - - - -
Sean Wind (19) teamsophia   3
Henry Battle (19) FinOCyclinGTeaM   2
- - - - - - - - - -
Christian Madsen (20) BetisCFF   11
Kenneth Hunter (20) WinterIsComing   7
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing   7
Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   7
Richard King (20) Sacido   5
Henry Aldrin (20) FlandriaFussion   4
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 12, 2018, 06:47:43 am
Hmmm, a little bit disappointing ; Edgar finishes as 3rd.
One of the reasons could be that this TT race was slightly downhill and because of that downhill counted a little, and flat more as usual.

But there is also positive news  :) : Australia u21 up one place in the ranking by countries and now on the podium (3rd) !
Next week a cobblehills stage in Spain. It will be very doubtfull if Australia u21 can score points in that race.

Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 17, 2018, 08:08:37 am
u20 lists ; 27 cyclists.
(https://i.imgur.com/ymvZ9wT.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 17, 2018, 08:09:25 am
u21 lists ; 62 cyclists.
(https://i.imgur.com/8CKDk5w.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 18, 2018, 08:12:22 am
STAGE 6 : PUENTE GENIL

(https://i.imgur.com/q2ZezJI.jpg?1)

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/genil.jpg) 37ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)

Puente Genil, Andalusia,
Today a very difficult long distance cobblehills stage. It seems to me Australia u21 has no good cyclist for this race, but I could be wrong and/or the competition is also bad in such a race. Every point that maybe will be achieved is welcome, but the expectations are very low.

Anyway, a good opportunity to give a lot of Australian talents some extra experience.
It could be that this whole selection is riding just for xp.  :)
In fact, even the 20yo team captain of this race will make his debut, just like 3 of the 4 selected 19yo's.

Some cyclists are not selected because their managers don't let them ride at all in their team or because they are in a not active team.
I rather select others who deserve the xp more and ride a lot in their team.
Unfortunately the exception is the number 1 on the cobble-hills list, still zero xp. But I selected him just in case my point of view is wrong and the competition is also very bad, and then he can be of use as a helper for the team captain. Who is the number 2 on the cobble hills list but has 57 stamina points more and therefore more suited for this race. Although it would surprise me if the team captain can score points. However, I have been wrong before in my estimations/expectations so it could be possible, let's hope so.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Eddie Aldrin (20) Juventus1986   9
Keith Owens (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Clive Butcher (19) CobbleCrushers   1
Henry Battle (19) FinOCyclinGTeaM   2
Duke Madsen (19) HtcItalia   2
Vince Acree (19) CobbleCrushers   1
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   19   8)
Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   9
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing   9
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 19, 2018, 08:45:07 am
Team captain Aldrin finishes as 12th, so better than I expected.
Owens and Battle just outside the points, but a very promising race of the 19yo Battle who rode in a helpers role with a zero zero EP finish. Maybe he will not be trained as a cobble hills specialist, because he could become also a very good hills TT specialist.

Australia u21 down 1 place in the ranking by countries and now 4th.
Denmark and especially Italy and Germany scored too many points in this race. They are the top 3 in the ranking by countries.
Germany leads (1670), followed by Denmark (1500). And now for the first time this season a gap towards the other countries.
Italy (1270) is 3rd, Australia is 4th (1140) and then 6 countries close together (990 to 850).

After 4 races in Spain, we go to England next week. There Australia has better cyclists because it is a hills-sprint race in Leeds.
Ford and Mikkelson (both of WinterIsComing) are already selected and hopefully they can score a lot of points. Because the race after next Sunday, cobblestones in Denmark, again there are no good Australian cyclists.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 21, 2018, 08:11:17 am
(https://i.imgur.com/JoNBmhn.jpg?1) u20 lists after the draft ( 35 x 19yo's ) :

(https://i.imgur.com/mUpniFi.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Telamon on February 21, 2018, 09:22:39 am
Ive wasted €111 on a useless rider.    :o
And still havent pulled a decent rider this season.

But I see some nice riders on the list. Unfortunately the distance between the nr 1 and 2 is big...
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 21, 2018, 09:42:59 am
Ive wasted €111 on a useless rider.    :o
And still havent pulled a decent rider this season.

But I see some nice riders on the list. Unfortunately the distance between the nr 1 and 2 is big...
Same here, so far this season zero cyclists recruted or scouted who were sold.

My first choice, Duffy, looks very good as climb sprinter. My bid was very low, so someone else bought him, but good he is in the game.
I got my 3rd choice :
http://www.cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php/topic,1909.msg275858.html#msg275858


Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 24, 2018, 07:46:10 am
u21 lists, 67 cyclists ( including 32 x 19yo's )
(https://i.imgur.com/1X7Yv5U.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 25, 2018, 12:15:06 pm
STAGE 7 : WinterIsComing

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/leeds.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/j1MrZW0.jpg?1)
11ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg)(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/solnubes.jpg)

Leeds, England,
The name I gave this stage is very applicable because of the upcoming weather forecasts and of course applicable because the best young Aussies (and probably also the best foreign competition) ride for team WinterIsComing.
However and remarkable, in Leeds it is still not so cold in this u21 NT hills sprint race, just a little bit of wind.
In the picture the stage victory of Caleb Ewan in the Tour of Britain 2017, hopefully this will be a good inspiration for this u21 selection.

Australia needs the points in this race, because next week I don't expect any points on the cobblestones.
Race 9 is hard to prodict how many points there will be gained and in race 10 there is just one cylist who can score points.
So it will be very difficult this season to get on the podium in the ranking by countries. At the moment Australia is 4th.
Therefore this selection is in full battle mode. Just 1 xp cyclist is selected, the team captain of race 10. And I even selected a not experienced one and someone who is in a not active team. Both as extra helpers to get a good result for the WiC-teamcaptain.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   11
Gerard Ford (20) WinterIsComing   11
Leroy Davidson (20) EskorbutoTeam   11
Kenneth Hunter (20) WinterIsComing   9
Neil Friend (20) gondolindrim   0
Markus Warrenburg (20) BetisCFF   8
Keith Owens (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Christian Madsen (20) BetisCFF   14
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   21   8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: WinterIsComing on February 25, 2018, 10:51:15 pm
Very Nice result with Mikkelson tonight Vos.  :)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on February 26, 2018, 06:11:06 am
Thanks WiC  :)

Ford in a free role in order to try to get some extra points was dissapointing. Of course he had to gamble in S1, that did not work out. But I gave him lots of energy in the hills, and despite that this race was clearly not suited for him as I look at his result. He is a very good hills-sprinter when there is more flat in a race.

But good there is another WiC-cyclist, teamcaptain Mikkelson !  8)
He had a great race, also because his main helper Davidson did a perfect job and launched him into the final section.
Mikkelson finished as 2nd  8), and also Davidson scored a few points with his 11th place.

Good results and only France scored more points in this race than Australia.
Unfortunately this means 1 place down in the ranking by countries and now on the 5th place, because France overtook us.

Ranking by countries with 3 more stages to go :
(https://i.imgur.com/bmX32ah.png?1)

Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 08, 2018, 07:53:37 pm
STAGE 8 : (http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/herning.jpg)

Many, many thanks to the two persons who made the Australia u21 selection in this race.

It would not have been my tactics and selection, but this selection is also very good, especially considering the fact that both have zero experience in this CFF game.
And besides that, I did not expect many points in this race, or even zero points when I would have made the selection myself. Because the young Aussies are not good on the cobblestones at all.
So this result of 60 points by the two outside CFF heroes is more than I expected.  8)

In the ranking by countries Australia u21 is still 5th with 2 more stages to go.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 10, 2018, 10:26:02 am
70 cyclists ( including 37 x 19yo's )
(https://i.imgur.com/71ML1Qm.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 10, 2018, 10:21:01 pm
I see him really good, even better than Aldrin in terms of training.

Nate Owens   Edad : 20   Sueldo : 803
Resistencia : 71   Sprint : 19   Montaña : 87
LLano : 19   Pavés : 18   Tecnica : 60
Descenso : 38   Colinas : 49   Agres : 11
Crono : 4 TraEqui : 75   


Am i the only one?
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 11, 2018, 09:36:22 am
hmmm, Nate Owens has potential because of his teamwork but he needs a lot of downhill training. He will be a pure climber, also he can ride races like stage 8 Giro, stage 5 Portugal and stage 10 Vuelta.

Compared to Henry Aldrin, hmmmmm, possibly I agree with you because he needs a lot of technique training, and that is just a third skill. Better if a cyclist has to train a second skill like downhill to get better.
Also Henry Aldrin has great teamwork and potential. But despite the fact he is way better now then Nate Owens, Aldrin is more limited in the future because he also will be a pure climber but his hills are lower and his TT is very good but the very low technique makes that TT skill not worthy. But positive for Aldrin is that he has the benifit of a rain icon.

Recap : difficult question, FlandriaFussion, I m not sure of the answer.  :)
I think in the end the talent rating decides who will be the better cyclist, Owens or Aldrin. Also I think the talent rating should be very high in order to compete with the fierce competition in the pure mountain stages.
But you will make a (perhaps big) profit on them both because you bought them both extreme cheap, and that is always good^^
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 11, 2018, 09:53:39 am
He has to train good amount of Descent, but not that much. He's "only" 22 points under 60 which we can consider a good rate. And he wil get into +40 with 0 Descent training before 23.

I've seen the best pure climbers of his generation, and i dare say he's right now on the Top 5 best pure climbers of his age, with Ojeda, Meling, Saxon and Hoyland and he potentially will become the best or second best pure climber on my team.

He has mountain on the perfect level to be trained and an unrivalled Teamwork.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 11, 2018, 10:52:12 am
It could be that your expertise on this subject is way and way higher then mine, Flandria, just trying to answer with my limited knowledge  ;)
But first Nate Owens has to practise as helper on the Mont Ventoux, a good experience for him to ride that notorious mountain.
Preview and selection are in progress and will be posted here soon.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Aurora_Australis on March 11, 2018, 11:12:25 am
22 points below 60+ is an extra season of DH training.  Are you going to put in the 3 seasons of specialist DH training he needs?  Personally, as somebody who'll be interested in buying climbers once I've finished most of my flat training, I'd want somebody with high climb & DH first (but that doesn't matter as much if you're keeping him until old age).
I do like that he hasn't wasted much in sprint, flat, cobbles, or TT.
I don't know what the competition is like, so I can't compare (is it my imagination, or is there a decisively lack of quality available on the market?).
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 11, 2018, 11:23:53 am
STAGE 9 :  MONT VENTOUX / SACIDO

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/loriol.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/oENB1uw.jpg)
21ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/lluvia.jpg)

Loriol, France,
A lot of hills, a lot of kilometers, and in the middle of the race the notorious Mont Ventoux !
It is up to the Australian Sacido cyclists to score many points here in order to still get a good result this season.

At the moment 5th in the ranking by countries and it will be very hard or even impossible to get on the podium this season.
But Australia is one of the smallest CFF countries, so a top 5 would be awesome too despite the fact the previous two seasons ( when I was u21 NT manager ;) :)) ) Australia u21 had twice a second place. But these results were CFF history records of Australia u21 and that cannot happen every season with such a small CFF country.

Difficult for me to estimate the percentages of this race, so just 1 real xp cyclist is selected and Australia will be in full battle mode with different kind of hills-climbers as extra helpers in case my percentages are wrong. Sam Sand is not selected because he is not active, instead of him Ted Jordan will make his debute, his stamina is way too low for this race but perhaps he can be of use in the first 2 sections and he is not unexperienced, also important in most cases to get a selection for Australia.
Also hard for me to prodict how this race will go so the tactics will be a bit of a gamble, but in any case it seems to me it is important that the team captain still has some help on the Mont Ventoux.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Elgin Paxton (20) Sacido   5
Richard King (20) Sacido   7
Nick Owens (19) Sacido   8
Christian Madsen (20) BetisCFF   15
Bruce Woods (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Colin Chambers (20) skunk   4
Nate Owens (20) FlandriaFussion   4
Ted Jordan (20) Telleriarte   5
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   25   8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 11, 2018, 11:47:55 am
22 points below 60+ is an extra season of DH training.  Are you going to put in the 3 seasons of specialist DH training he needs?  Personally, as somebody who'll be interested in buying climbers once I've finished most of my flat training, I'd want somebody with high climb & DH first (but that doesn't matter as much if you're keeping him until old age).
I do like that he hasn't wasted much in sprint, flat, cobbles, or TT.
I don't know what the competition is like, so I can't compare (is it my imagination, or is there a decisively lack of quality available on the market?).

He will train 70% amount of descent at 70% when 0'03 plus is finished.

Despite this he has a good training compatibility with my Grand Tour leader.


I will show him again with 22 years, then maybe you will see his true potential. He can become a beast IMHO. I've always had superclimbers like Rongstad, Rondeaux, Luc Dupont, Otte... and i can recognize the potential on him. Nobody or only a very few pure climb riders on his generation have his high Recovery+High Mountain+Teamwork+Hills great skills asset.

The competition on this terrain is tough, but he's not too far from Ojeda and Meling right now, and he always has an advantage, Hills or Teamwork, compared with the two.

I dont know if i'll keep him. If i get a superoffer maybe ill put him on the market someday.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 11, 2018, 11:53:50 am
STAGE 9 :  MONT VENTOUX / SACIDO

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/loriol.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/oENB1uw.jpg)
21ºC (http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/lluvia.jpg)

Loriol, France,
A lot of hills, a lot of kilometers, and in the middle of the race the notorious Mont Ventoux !
It is up to the Australian Sacido cyclists to score many points here in order to still get a good result this season.

At the moment 5th in the ranking by countries and it will be very hard or even impossible to get on the podium this season.
But Australia is one of the smallest CFF countries, so a top 5 would be awesome too despite the fact the previous two seasons ( when I was u21 NT manager ;) :)) ) Australia u21 had twice a second place. But these results were CFF history records of Australia u21 and that cannot happen every season with such a small CFF country.

Difficult for me to estimate the percentages of this race, so just 1 real xp cyclist is selected and Australia will be in full battle mode with different kind of hills-climbers as extra helpers in case my percentages are wrong. Sam Sand is not selected because he is not active, instead of him Ted Jordan will make his debute, his stamina is way too low for this race but perhaps he can be of use in the first 2 sections and he is not unexperienced, also important in most cases to get a selection for Australia.
Also hard for me to prodict how this race will go so the tactics will be a bit of a gamble, but in any case it seems to me it is important that the team captain still has some help on the Mont Ventoux.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

Elgin Paxton (20) Sacido   5
Richard King (20) Sacido   7
Nick Owens (19) Sacido   8
Christian Madsen (20) BetisCFF   15
Bruce Woods (20) WYGRAM_to   0
Colin Chambers (20) skunk   4
Nate Owens (20) FlandriaFussion   4
Ted Jordan (20) Telleriarte   5
David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   25   8)

Interesting stage.

You will have a great rival on Gedeon Zola.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 11, 2018, 12:02:07 pm
I've always had superclimbers like Rongstad, Rondeaux, Luc Dupont, Otte... and i can recognize the potential on him.
Rondeaux is awesome !  8)
To be honest, I did not expect he was thát good when I bought him for just 4.1 M a half year ago.
Just a silver climber, never reached gold, but his results show how good he really is, he can easily beat gold climbers. He was also 4th in the NT race of this season.
And what was really unexpected to me, that he finished as 7th and as 8th in the GC of the Tour de France because he has no sprint, no TT, no cobble and no hills. In the different mountain stages he wins a lot of time compared to the GC competition.

You have a good eye for talent, Flandria.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 11, 2018, 12:28:23 pm
I've always had superclimbers like Rongstad, Rondeaux, Luc Dupont, Otte... and i can recognize the potential on him.
Rondeaux is awesome !  8)
To be honest, I did not expect he was thát good when I bought him for just 4.1 M a half year ago.
Just a silver climber, never reached gold, but his results show how good he really is, he can easily beat gold climbers. He was also 4th in the NT race of this season.
And what was really unexpected to me, that he finished as 7th and as 8th in the GC of the Tour de France because he has no sprint, no TT, no cobble and no hills. In the different mountain stages he wins a lot of time compared to the GC competition.

You have a good eye for talent, Flandria.

Me and FrançaiseDesJeux, who adviced me  :D

My good eye is his fault.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 11, 2018, 08:23:55 pm
Dissapointing race ; I gambled with my tactics but the start was too slow.
The only one who got into the points was team captain Paxton, he finished as 8th.
I suspect he could have done a little bit better if the tactics turned out the way I wanted, but that was not the case.

Nick Owens showed he is a very good 19yo climbhills talent. He finished as 2nd best 19yo on the 34th place.
But the best 19yo, a Russian, finished as 7th. Impressive !

Australia u21 still on the 5th place in the ranking by countries and it is looking good top 5 will be possible after next week, the final stage.

But first something way more important ;
let's see how the u23 does this evening in their thrilling battle for the world championship versus Denmark.
Finish in 6 minutes ! Go Go Go Australia u23 !  8)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 17, 2018, 11:07:54 am
Australian NT candidates next season :

I m candidate for the elite NT team next season.
I guess it is my turn to do the least favorite Australian NT, and a good experience for me because it will my debut as elite NT manager.
When someone else wants to do the elite NT, no problem. Probably I will not be a candidate then.
Also fine by me if I m not an Australian NT manager next season, and also fine by me if I do the u21 or u23.
So I m very flexible about this, so far I m the only candidate, there are no candidates yet for the youth NT's.
Note ; I think it is important we have a good u23 NT manager next season (for example Telamon, AA or WiC). See next paragraph.

This season the u23 has a very good generation ( almost certain u23 world champion ! ).
I know that next season could be even a better u23 generation, although the Dutch will be a fierce competitor for the u23 world championship.

If the u21 has a good generation next season ? ; well, a few good talents but I suspect not a great generation but I could be wrong.
More info about that later, I will post the lists of the next generation tomorrow or monday.

70 cyclists ( including 36 x 19yo's )
(https://i.imgur.com/9swxADx.png?1)
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 18, 2018, 12:42:28 pm
Selection and preview in progress ; it will be made and posted this afternoon.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 18, 2018, 01:47:42 pm
Waiting for stage analysis.

Its a shame Sam Sand manager is not entering the game in consecuence Australia lose a really really good climber for sure.

Also i came to say the australian star Henry Aldrin is on sale.
Perfect for teams that will train lot of Technique.

Henry Aldrin   Edad : 20   Sueldo : 832
Resistencia : 62   Sprint : 12   Montaña : 87
LLano : 21   Pavés : 31   Tecnica : 6
Descenso : 73   Colinas : 26   Agres : 38
Crono : 63   TraEqui : 75   Experiencia : 7

Precio : 500 000   Dias Quedan : 3   
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: FlandriaFussion on March 18, 2018, 01:53:38 pm
We've decided on the team to give the lead on the mountains to Nate Owens, who will become without any doubt a superstar climber for the future and will take Australia to the highest levels on 1st divission.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 18, 2018, 02:58:58 pm
Good news that you will be training Nate Owens, Flandria. The Australian talents need a very good manager.  8)
A bit busy at the moment, in an hour or so I will make the selection and preview.
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 18, 2018, 04:54:21 pm
stage 10 : PROLOGUE of 7 KM

(http://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/granadatt.jpg)28ºC(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg)(http://cff.cyclingforfun.netdna-cdn.com/cff/imagenes/lluvia.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Hqhlos2.jpg)

Grenada, Spain,

As you can see in the picture the training of the u21 selection was including track training to ride the prologue even more aggressive.
The objective of the final stage this season is simple ; to hold on to the 5th place in the ranking by countries.
This would be a very good result of such a little CFF country as Australia.
Of course, the previous two seasons the u21 NT was second, but unfortunately such awesome generations cannot happen every time.

And there is just one Australian TT-specialist who can score points in this race, David Edgar, and I suspect he will do pretty good.
The 3 selected 19yo TT-talents are not good enough yet, and 2 of them will make their debut here to keep them in the game, more chance of that when they are youth international. Perhaps they could become future prologue specialists and score some points for Australia.
The other 5 selected cyclists are also xp cyclists ; promising 19yo's and the two 20yo's who scored the best (both a 2nd place) this season.

Australia u21 selection ( in blue the xp ) :

David Edgar (20) Drollevangers   26   8)  Australian u21 record international after this race
- - - - - - - - -
Sean Wind (19) teamsophia   5
Dave Mikkelson (19) teamsophia   0  debut
Franklin Lawson (19) UDVillel   0  debut
- - - - - - - - -
Nick Owens (19) Sacido   10  very promising hills-climber
Bud Pierre (19) HtcItalia   3  promising hills-specialist, debut
Vince Judd (19) escartines_neverdie   1  promising sprinter
- - - - - - - - -
and a tribute to the best Australians of this u21 season :
Angus Mikkelson (20) WinterIsComing   14
Richard King (20) Sacido   8
Title: Re: Australia: U21 Season 36
Post by: Vos on March 19, 2018, 12:23:38 am
A 2nd place of David Edgar, and that makes him the best Australian cyclists of this u21 season because he was 3rd in the normal time trial.
France did not score points in this prologue and that means Australia is up one place in the ranking by countries. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/USgVayt.png?1)