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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2016, 07:12:10 am »
Anyone can explain me this message.

I don't understand well all, sorry, but players must respect other players. If anyone don't respect other user we must notify first and second time ban from the forum, or if the person continues kick off the game.

I don't like bad climate in forum, a game must be funny because real life is very hard to discuss for a simple game.

Everybody must do all we can to generate a good community or be out of the forum .

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2016, 09:34:17 am »
I don't know why it is posted here.
But it mostly says that the dutch forum is a kindergarten and Vos is quitting the game for being bullied  ???

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2016, 09:54:34 am »
Don't know what is or isn't in the Dutch forum.  All I can say is that the English forum has always been good, and it would be cool if there was more active people here.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2016, 09:58:47 am »
98% of the times, the Dutch forum is good as well. There has been a feud between two members on the Dutch forum that continued to pop up once in a while, and apparently, Vos has had enough of it.

Too bad, I think, but I guess I have to respect his decision. He's been a good and active member on the Forum for a long time, and I will remember him in a good way.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2016, 08:32:36 pm »
1. Division Structure
Slightly smaller divisions would probably be a good idea, but they shouldn't be drastically reduced in size--perhaps 60 teams instead of 75.  I also think that the number of teams relegated should remain a minority--for example, 10 or 15 out of 60.  It would be strange for 40 out of 60 teams to be relegated.  I also do not think that the "division" money at the beginning of the season should vary based on your result--teams finishing near the top of a division already make more money in other ways.

2. Calendar
I think it would be interesting to have minor variations in the calendar from year to year, but these changes should be rather small.

The one-day races should remain the same, or at most some of the smaller (C/D) races should change from season to season.  People put a lot of effort into developing riders for major races and in addition it is more realistic to have the same major one-day races on the calendar from year to year.  The one exception is the WC RR--it could be fun to have that race change from season to season, as in real life--as long as it is always 250 km or longer.  Perhaps there could also be an Olympic road race/TT once every four seasons?  The Olympics and WC races could then emphasize different skills--for example, a climbers' WC and a hilly Olympics, along with a flat Olympic TT and a hilly WC TT.

As for the tours, I think it would be interesting to have some variation in the stages from year to year, as long as the GTs continue to have stages that emphasize all of the specializations (climb, sprint, hills, cobbles, TT).  In addition, I think the basic nature of the minor tours should not change.  I am sure that I am not alone, for example, in spending many seasons training someone to be a specialist in the Eneco Tour, the Deutschland Tour, the CDL, or TA/Portugal.  It would be a shame to have these tours changed so that they no longer emphasized the same basic skill set from season to season.  Within those limits, however, I think there is room for some variety in the stages.

3. Season length
I like the season length, but minor changes--perhaps slightly more races per season--could be interesting.  I particularly like the idea of having a couple of different tours occur simultaneously.  For example, you could have a 10-stage Giro and a 5-stage Tour of California (with the latter being supplemented by some one-day races).  Then the TDF/Poland.

More generally, I agree with Timidus's point that any changes that are made should be announced one full season in advance.  That way managers will have time to prepare for the changes.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2016, 09:08:35 am »
2. Calendar
I think it would be interesting to have minor variations in the calendar from year to year, but these changes should be rather small.

The one-day races should remain the same, or at most some of the smaller (C/D) races should change from season to season.  People put a lot of effort into developing riders for major races and in addition it is more realistic to have the same major one-day races on the calendar from year to year.  The one exception is the WC RR--it could be fun to have that race change from season to season, as in real life--as long as it is always 250 km or longer.  Perhaps there could also be an Olympic road race/TT once every four seasons?  The Olympics and WC races could then emphasize different skills--for example, a climbers' WC and a hilly Olympics, along with a flat Olympic TT and a hilly WC TT.

As for the tours, I think it would be interesting to have some variation in the stages from year to year, as long as the GTs continue to have stages that emphasize all of the specializations (climb, sprint, hills, cobbles, TT).  In addition, I think the basic nature of the minor tours should not change.  I am sure that I am not alone, for example, in spending many seasons training someone to be a specialist in the Eneco Tour, the Deutschland Tour, the CDL, or TA/Portugal.  It would be a shame to have these tours changed so that they no longer emphasized the same basic skill set from season to season.  Within those limits, however, I think there is room for some variety in the stages.

Olympics! Yes! That would be excellent. You can substitute a D or C-race after the Tour de France for an Olympic parcours every 4 seasons. GP Knetemann or Memorial Otxoa could be used for that. Im not sure we should have an Olympic TT but that could also work the same way.

I agree with that the characteristics of stages in tours should be kept te same. The Eneco tour should always be a cobble/hill/sprint tour etc etc. But the type of cobblehill stage could vary for some slight variations. Its like the current belgium tour. They start with a TT of about 6km, the some sprint stages and a hill stage. The same idea as last year but different stages. Still suits the same riders.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2016, 11:58:52 am »
On the topic of races: I would really like to see the return of the races taking an hour and unlocking a section every 20 minutes or so. Like the live races are now handled. I think that really added to the sense of following the race. Also during the race you can also talk about that race and wonder what happens etc. I think that will be more interesting for the chat as well. Right now its *poof* and the results are known.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2016, 02:44:54 pm »
On the topic of races: I would really like to see the return of the races taking an hour and unlocking a section every 20 minutes or so. Like the live races are now handled. I think that really added to the sense of following the race. Also during the race you can also talk about that race and wonder what happens etc. I think that will be more interesting for the chat as well. Right now its *poof* and the results are known.

But it shouldn't be possible to give new instructions during the race!!

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2016, 06:19:55 pm »
Nope. Thats something special for the live races.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2017, 02:42:44 pm »
So far the hardest stages is: (estimated and not confirmed)

1: UCI WRC 1995 in columbia. I think this is the profile from the high tech age.



2.



Could this be a new added profile for a database and even harder than some of the suggested ones above?
Rumored stage for the worlds 2018 in Austria.




@ OSKA. How goes with the planning of some of the mentioned changes?  :-*

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2017, 05:31:09 pm »
Change calendar is a hard work and I see some people disagree with changes although there are more people that agree.
Big problem is time and my work because make this requires a lot of time.
Actually with my job every day is more difficult for me use my time in Cff, only with maintenance, mails and some processes that always require small updates I am busy every night.
It is not easy have a minor game, I am trying last years make bigger my bussiness and with my family every day Cff is harder to me, more problems that happiness.
I don't know if I will start to change calendar in future, as I said it is big job in doing stages, put stages in database and the worst is update the Cff system.
I don't think too that calendar is our big problem, make a game funny to people that starts generation with cyclists 19,20,21 and make a good transition is not solved for me, I didn't found a good solution.
If a day I have time I would like update these areas too but actually I'm not able to do it.
At moment continue with the game is my single goal and avoid server problems.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2017, 12:05:16 pm »
Change calendar is a hard work and I see some people disagree with changes although there are more people that agree.
Big problem is time and my work because make this requires a lot of time.

If a day I have time I would like update these areas too but actually I'm not able to do it.
At moment continue with the game is my single goal and avoid server problems.

I think everybody can fully understand this  ;)

Is there a way we could make a hidden group at the forum and invite users who are willing to help or think about the game play about this matter. Like we did with the CFF awards.

I'm very interested to help. You can invite me if you think this could be a benefit in any way.
I wanted to write a mail to you about this. But I think it would be easier and more manageable this way.

I know it will only be talk or a discussion at this point and not even sure if it ever will be possible to make the changes.

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2017, 12:16:01 pm »
CFF Hackaton   :P

Yes, maybe we can organize a better Suggestions part of the forum and talk there. An Open Innovation project to see how to improve Cycling For Fun in the long term :)

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2017, 04:46:55 pm »
I agree   .

Long term changes to improve the game making it more funny and playable when you have young or old cyclist ( or maybe it is imposible).

As example to have around 10-15 stages to small tours and 20-30 to big tours I would need help.
Other ways to improve needs most of users agree and ideas that I know how to add and that we think it improves the game and it is more difficult.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2017, 04:49:12 pm by oscacom »

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Re: Long term perspective in CFF
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2018, 02:04:43 pm »
Hi all,

I am back, for those who don't know me, I used to play CFF a few years ago, almost since the beginning. I will try to pop in to the English forum to contribute and translate if needed.

With regards to the generational change, I believe this is part of the game, you either focus on training and sacrifice points/money, or "burn" your team to win 1st division. This is part of the game, strategy and patience play a key role although I can understand people may not have that much patience to see their team grow from 19/20 yo to their 30's when they will be top cyclists. I like it that way to be honest, training and planning for few seasons to get results at the end of their career. It makes the game versatile and top teams cannot stay at the top for long, they need to "recycle" their squad and this gives opportunity to others to go for that desired podium.

The only think I can think of, in terms of minimising that "long term planning", is to have 3 stages per day, instead of 2. Seasons would go faster and players would not need to wait for that long for results. Perhaps this has already been mentioned but as I said I have been out for few years and I am a bit outdated  :)