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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 12:24:09 am »
Request to make this a sticky topic.

Thanks.

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 12:38:36 am »
Done

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 01:46:18 am »
USA U23 rankings--end of season 29
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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 08:52:20 am »
Wow Barry Holland!  :)

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 05:18:18 am »
Wow Barry Holland!  :)

Yes, wow.

I recently sold him because my current training program would have stunted his growth.

Would be nice to have a U25 or U28 div so we can see these "middle age" guys going head to head because after they turn 23, they kind of disappear for a bunch of seasons to eventurally emerge as 28+ year olds.

If I'm not mistaken, this has been proposed but so far has been a no-go.  Correct?

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2016, 11:48:43 am »
Yes there will be no races for the in between-ers. So far  ;D

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 01:04:02 pm »
Let's see what Barry Holland can do next sunday  :)

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2017, 10:11:32 am »
I did find some remarks by TT super man Tony Martin who "sharply criticised the descent from the Alpe d'Huez as very dangerous. Sending the riders over that stretch is 'irresponsible,'" he said.   Martin went on to say that “the road is old, narrow, the surface bad, no barriers, if a rider makes a mistake he will face a free fall of 30 meters. To send us there is irresponsible."

That's very likely about the alternative descent from the Alpe d'Huez in the Tour of 2013, where after a climb of the Alpe the riders continued on a small road descending and then climbing to another mountain. That descending route was very different from the traditional climb and more of a goat path, which had been refurbished especially for the Tour.

I think this stage is created for CFF to have a combination of downhill and timetrial...

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2017, 02:20:34 am »
Stage 1, Season 32

ST9 TQ15 DH50 TT24

Selection  (Name/Team/Age/Exp/GV)

Paddy Robles-JR   FacHaBortoLo   21      15    67.3
Karl Peterson   FeliciaTeam   22      0      67.3
Bob Kelly   TeamRolf   20      11      65.5
Darvin Jordan   ProBox   22   12   64.9
Vic Duffy   SonicCycling   22      17 62.1      
Victor Finals   Bergtoppers   20      4 61.1
Ken Bass   Reekse_Verkuhss   22      6      60.5
Nick Davis   TeaMetal   19      0      60.2      
Kirk Fevola   Bartali_ProCyclingTeam   21      13   58.7

I am wondering if anyone knows if this TT was ever contested for real.  I did some looking and could not determine if it ever was raced.  I did find some remarks by TT super man Tony Martin who "sharply criticised the descent from the Alpe d'Huez as very dangerous. Sending the riders over that stretch is 'irresponsible,'" he said.   Martin went on to say that “the road is old, narrow, the surface bad, no barriers, if a rider makes a mistake he will face a free fall of 30 meters. To send us there is irresponsible."

So I suppose by sending our riders there we're being irresponsible, so let's hope no one goes on a virtual free fall come race day.
   
Results
1   Ubaldo Del Campo      22   0: 00"   300      YaniHara
2   Nicola Loba      22   0: 06"   250      MiaowofRacing
3   Bart VanDerSar      22   0: 07"   225      asbbank
4   Karl Peterson      22   0: 11"   200      FeliciaTeam
5   Jarl Andresen      21   0: 14"   180      pupilos_de_Jan_Ullrich
6   Edilberto Bajo      22   0: 14"   160      Argonautjes
7   Philip Vorre      22   0: 16"   150      Littlegreenbag
8   Andres Exposito      22   0: 16"   140      DeporGalegoOscense
9   Earl Johnson      22   0: 18"   130      maneblussers
10   Santiago Valencia      22   0: 19"   120      TriniProCyclingTeam
11   Miguel Angel Muńoz      22   0: 20"   110      Tovercirkel
12   Norbert Sárosi      22   0: 20"   100      LaNuevaCamada
13   Sofus Finnemann      22   0: 22"   90      alroo
14   Irakli Roschin      21   0: 23"   80      Skippy
15   Rodolf Bodson      21   0: 23"   70      Patcycling
16   Roberto Cheula      22   0: 25"   60      MiaowofRacing
17   Herculano Paz      22   0: 25"   40      zaldua
18   Victor Serra      22   0: 29"   30      CervejasFresquinhas
19   Lance Cahill      22   0: 29"   20      DutchCyclingTeam
20   Darvin Jordan      22   0: 30"   10      ProBox

32   Paddy Robles-JR      21   0: 40"   0      FacHaBortoLo
35   Nick Davis      19   0: 41"   0      TeaMetal
36   Ken Bass      22   0: 42"   0      Reekse_Verkuhss
43   Bob Kelly      20   0: 43"   0      TeamRolf
64   Victor Finals      20   1: 00"   0      Bergtoppers
68   Vic Duffy      22   1: 02"   0      SonicCycling
96   Kirk Fevola      21   1: 17"   0      Bartali_ProCyclingTeam

Based on my initial GV calcs, the results did not turn out as I thought they would, with Robles Jr being the expected top finisher, given his high GV, high experience, and weather icon.  So when he came out not as the top finisher, I knew the GV formula was off and had to be tweaked, so I commenced a tweaking and came out with this:   ST9 TQ13 DH40 AG8 TT30.

I am not sure if aggression should play a part in a downhill TT but I added the AG element to the GV calc and doing so just might explain Peterson's 4th place finish because though he lacks experience and his TTing numbers aren't top drawer, his AG is quite high, as is his TQ.   
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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2017, 12:21:28 pm »
Ohh Kekipi. Don't try get smarter with the time trial. Many users have gone that way.
But end up with a frontal lobotomy rather than a bottle in font of me!

It's so difficult to use results and make the GV.

Sta   12
Tec   18
Dow   40
TT   30
   
Sum   100

I have used this in season 26 with U21 riders. But I just accept the time trial. Never going to understand.

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2017, 04:22:21 pm »
I am wondering if anyone knows if this TT was ever contested for real.  I did some looking and could not determine if it ever was raced.  I did find some remarks by TT super man Tony Martin who "sharply criticised the descent from the Alpe d'Huez as very dangerous. Sending the riders over that stretch is 'irresponsible,'" he said.   Martin went on to say that “the road is old, narrow, the surface bad, no barriers, if a rider makes a mistake he will face a free fall of 30 meters. To send us there is irresponsible."

I don't know about an Alpe d'Huez downhill time trial, but the 1987 Giro did have a downhill time trial, using the Poggio downhill from the end of Milan-San Remo.  Stephen Roche won the stage.  Despite winning the stage, Roche remarked: "Three riders have been killed this year, it seems like they are looking for a fourth?"

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/from-the-cw-archives-the-1987-giro-ditalia-part-1-95784



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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2017, 12:55:00 am »
Ohh Kekipi. Don't try get smarter with the time trial. Many users have gone that way.
But end up with a frontal lobotomy rather than a bottle in font of me!

Thank you for the suggestion.  I will file it away in the memory bank while I still have memory to bank.   :D

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2017, 10:35:31 pm »
Downhill TT's are a bad idea. Still i would watch one :D

Bob Kelly took it easy by the way. Said the organisors were nutjobs.

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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2017, 10:40:24 am »
Stage 2, Season 32

ST20 CL44 FL4 TQ8 DH21 TW3

Selection  (Name/Team/Age/Exp/GV)
Christian Edwards   derazendejannen   22   16 75.4
Fraser Weiss   BOREAS_PRO_TEAM   22   24   75.8   
José Malone   Lanihuli_cycling   22   19   73.0   
Karl Peterson   FeliciaTeam   22   1   73.5   
Randy Judge   SonicCycling   22   13   72.4   
Vic Duffy   SonicCycling   22   17   72.5   
Casey Crickton   Amaranteprocycling   21      9 70.3      
Kirk Fevola   Bartali_ProCyclingTeam   21      15   70.7   
Bob Kelly   TeamRolf   20      13   71.2   

Tactics


Edwards found himself 1:36 in arrears after the first three sections but he sat with teammates all the while, which would serve him well later.   In S4, he had a potential helper in Duffy but Duffy lost his legs and could not hold the pace, so Edwards had to move on sans help.  Meanwhile, Weiss made a surge in S4 and had enough in the tank (2EP) to finish as the last man in the top 20. 

Results
1   Torfinn Hamre      22   0: 00"   300      PipiolosTeam
2   Maxime Desailly      22   0: 25"   250      Aertbij
3   Claas Kissow      22   0: 30"   225      gandarias
4   Raitis Igaunis      22   0: 31"   200      Aertbij
5   Armando De Vries      22   0: 40"   180      PipiolosTeam
6   Ekain Palomino      22   0: 42"   160      PipiolosTeam
7   Raul Olmo      22   1: 02"   150      PipiolosTeam
8   Christian Edwards      22   1: 03"   140      derazendejannen
9   Wilt Burton      22   1: 03"   130      PipiolosTeam
10   Inacio Souto      22   1: 06"   120      Tierra_tragame
11   Nicola Loba      22   1: 07"   110      MiaowofRacing
12   Mark Lemeshko      22   1: 14"   100      Aertbij
13   Olexiy Shilov      22   1: 15"   90      SonicCycling
14   Laurens Valckenier      22   1: 16"   80      BOREAS_PRO_TEAM
15   Brede Reiten      22   1: 23"   70      SonicCycling
16   Jakob Weening      22   1: 23"   60      Lancianese
17   Libardo Ordońez      22   1: 30"   40      PipiolosTeam
18   Mycola Ugarov      22   1: 33"   30      Tor
19   Ilgonis Mednis      22   1: 33"   20      SonicCycling
20   Fraser Weiss      22   1: 33"   10      BOREAS_PRO_TEAM

41   Vic Duffy      22   2: 00"   0      SonicCycling
90   Bob Kelly      20   2: 35"   0      TeamRolf
92   Randy Judge      22   2: 36"   0      SonicCycling
95   Karl Peterson      22   2: 38"   0      FeliciaTeam
102   Kirk Fevola      21   2: 42"   0      Bartali_ProCyclingTeam
107   José Malone      22   2: 44"   0      Lanihuli_cycling
112   Casey Crickton      21   2: 46"   0      Amaranteprocycling
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Re: U23 USA
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2017, 10:36:39 am »
Stage 3, Season 32

ST14  FL5 TQ6 DH13  HL45 AG14 TW3

Selection  (Name/Team/Age/Exp/GV)
Joe Ronnald   WYGRAM_to   22      15      69.2
Ken Bass   FCpantani   22      8      69.1
William Wallace   marijntjesteam   22      18      70.5
Wendell Edwards   CTBF   22      10   70.8   
Dave Marbley   FrierAccounting   22      11   70.9   
Leroy Winn   Igualada_Cycling_Team   22      0   70.1   
Jack Baxter   CTBF   21      7      67.5
Fraser Teinert   TeaMetal   21      13      70.9
Mike Hines   Deabruak   21      16      66.3

Tactics


I had an initial notion to race Edwards 02244 or 02235 but I cowarded out from using no EP in the initial flat and raced him as noted above.  With the wind as it was, I did not want to risk him getting gapped from the get-go, which, if it happens, inevitably ends up in a game-over scenario. 

As it went, Edwards got help thru section 4, most notably from Wallace, who ended up as the best-placed of the other Americans.   Perhaps Edwards would have placed higher if he had used 4EP in S4 rather than just three because that is what Oster from Holland seemed to have done hence 12243 for Edwards rather than 12234.

As for the free riders, Marbley and Teinert, the former was completely blown out of the water while the latter did credibly and looks to be a possible top-5 guy next season.   

Results
1   Eric Fernandez      22   0: 00"   300      Oska
2   Eddy Oster      22   0: 00"   250      Reekse_Verkuhss
3   Baldomero Navas      22   0: 04"   225      TeaMetal
4   Gianluca DAndrea      22   0: 12"   200      Oska
5   Alexander Myrland      22   0: 12"   180      Reekse_Verkuhss
6   Vinnie Daily      22   0: 14"   160      Oska
7   Jannick Frřstrup      22   0: 18"   150      YaniHara
8   Urbano Santana      22   0: 18"   140      kamikazepiloten
9   Wendell Edwards      22   0: 18"   130      CTBF
10   Silvio Riggi      22   0: 21"   120      Reekse_Verkuhss
11   Vidmants Stirna      22   0: 21"   110      Oska
12   Oliver Vanneste      22   0: 21"   100      Noldor
13   Rasmus Nymoen      22   0: 21"   90      Reekse_Verkuhss
14   Antonin Lebeque      22   0: 27"   80      Reekse_Verkuhss
15   Luis Sierra      22   0: 27"   70      Reekse_Verkuhss
16   Silvio Di Fonzo      22   0: 27"   60      Audax
17   Eric Lungby      21   0: 27"   40      Kilometervreters
18   Jonathan Smits      22   0: 33"   30      kamikazepiloten
19   Fred Haverkate      22   0: 33"   20      kamikazepiloten
20   Ronald VandenAbeele      22   0: 33"   10      SenglarsDeFlandes

38   William Wallace      22   0: 44"   0      marijntjesteam
51   Joe Ronnald      22   0: 44"   0      WYGRAM_to
55   Fraser Teinert      21   0: 50"   0      TeaMetal
64   Jack Baxter      21   0: 56"   0      CTBF
81   Ken Bass      22   1: 05"   0      FCpantani
94   Mike Hines      21   1: 14"   0      Deabruak
102   Leroy Winn      22   1: 20"   0      Igualada_Cycling_Team
103   Dave Marbley      22   1: 20"   0      FrierAccounting
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