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Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« on: July 04, 2017, 09:12:48 pm »
Starting this thread - maybe others will find it useful as well.

Stage 28, cobbled hills, division 2a


My leader (Michael Bathum) was a top 5 favourite and went 3-0-2-3-5
In section 4 he was still with the first group of 5 riders.
But he finished 40th, 1:15 minutes behind eventual winner. he lost all this time in the last section
The first helper went Aggressive (3) in the last section, and finished ahead of my leader by 12 seconds, and even had the "wasted too many effort points" in section 5
Helper used  3-0-3-4-3

Sooo... What did I do wrong here ?

Leader:
Mikkel Bathum   Age : 30   Wage : 847
Stamina : 70   Sprint : 49   Climbing : 25
Flat : 62   Cobblestone : 96   Technique : 62
Downhill : 41   Hills : 96   Aggressiveness : 79
Time Trial : 25   Teamwork : 49   Experience : 48
Price :   Days left :   Stages raced : 13

First helper:
Gor Yuminov   Age : 36   Wage : 1745
Stamina : 77   Sprint : 53   Climbing : 9
Flat : 79   Cobblestone : 89   Technique : 70
Downhill : 45   Hills : 80   Aggressiveness : 71
Time Trial : 28   Teamwork : 27   Experience : 100
Price :   Days left :   Stages raced : 13
« Last Edit: July 04, 2017, 10:01:28 pm by Horace »

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Re: Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 09:30:39 pm »
3+2+3+5=13  ;)

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Re: Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 10:00:49 pm »
3+2+3+5=13  ;)
I know. I experimented. But he did not have the "used too many efforts" icon.
BTW The helper also used 13 -  3-0-3-4-3, had the icon, but gained 24 seconds on his leader in section 5, even if he had less effort left and considerably less Hill skill (edited the original post with this info)
« Last Edit: July 04, 2017, 10:04:16 pm by Horace »

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Re: Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 10:58:06 pm »
3+2+3+5=13  ;)
I know. I experimented. But he did not have the "used too many efforts" icon.
BTW The helper also used 13 -  3-0-3-4-3, had the icon, but gained 24 seconds on his leader in section 5, even if he had less effort left and considerably less Hill skill (edited the original post with this info)

Only in low divisions you have icon with too many efforts. After we consider you know how many efforts you can put, it is part of the game.
When you pass efforts different values have influence in result , but it is not important because it is a bad result have negative value in this section.

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Re: Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 05:27:04 am »
3+2+3+5=13  ;)
I know. I experimented.

The experiment obviously did not turn out as expected.   Would be interesting to know what you expected.

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Re: Tactics advice - what did I do wrong ?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 06:32:47 am »
3+2+3+5=13  ;)
I know. I experimented.

The experiment obviously did not turn out as expected.   Would be interesting to know what you expected.

Experiment: I wanted to see what happens if I use 13 points. I expected both of them to be "cooked" in the last section.

Observations: - the helper was cooked, the leader was not; Why the difference ?
- despite this, the helper overtook the leader in S5, even though the helper had used 5 points and helper only 3. In previous sections, when helper used the same or more points than the leader, he stayed with the leader or was dropped. Why has this happened ?